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Heathen land. by Supyloco Heathen land. by Supyloco
Okay I am so fucking tired of hearing how the United States is a Christian nation because it's not and there's plenty of proof saying it's not. Gay marriage, Prostitution, and recreational drug use bans are unconstitutional because the legal basis to those don't exist. Prostitution was legal at one point until Christians wanted to abolish it. But the ban on prostitution has backfired and nations that have legalized prostitution have done well. The drug war is unconstitutional because you're taking away people's right to choose to use drugs or not. If you don't want to use drugs don't use them. You don't need the government to tell you whether you should use drugs or not. Besides it's hypocritical since we still smoke and drink and medicine can also be dangerous. And Gay marriage is constitutional because the only basis they have is religion and this country has a wall of separation between the government and religion. And then Christians will say this is a country of sinners. Newsflash we're human and we commit mistakes. Besides many others like myself don't believe in the Abrahamic God.
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ninjawerr Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014  Professional Writer
It doesn't.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The constitution says nothing about prostitution, gay marriage, or drug use
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KGB-101 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I remember a time when America was founded on the beliefs of freedom of religion. Those were the days. 
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revilnemesis3 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
you have a great point
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
Thank you.
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trafficeddie Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
this country isn't doom by sin , I think what makes this place look more or so is being mislead by psychopaths , but anyways there are just a lot stuff out here that decries your point. What annoys me is those annoying fanatics saying were doomed by sinners witch we all know stupid .
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
All that is bullshit. What I'm saying here is what these assholes say is wrong. Is protected under the Constitution.
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trafficeddie Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
well yeah that's true
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
That's the whole point. In actuality this nation is too stuck up morally. They let their religion mess with their reason.
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trafficeddie Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
yeah I don't get that eighter were human so we do have human rights that's a very important thing and to be on your side they should realize it's imposable to not sin. If eating an apple was a huge mistake then why go enforcing that's not going to be fixed by controlling that anyways.Plus they are sinning rather they realize it or not.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
Yeah I mean the government shouldn't be making laws based on religion.
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trafficeddie Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
yup that's all human laws :P if I'm not mistaking it just seems that all this is human laws that only control them rather than solve. I'm sure God isn't controlling anything or anyone if free will was listed then it's obvious that religion is just a label to the lid on what's should be.It's all human law or made.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
God gave us reason not religion
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BlackenedAir Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Because the US is secular
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2011
Yes.
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DragonLordKris Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Prostitution? Where!? I’ve never heard it mentioned before.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2011
Well it's a First amendment right since it was set as a precedent in 1910. It is a personal freedom and the only basis to it being illegal is religion.
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PicturePixie Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Question to you. Do you believe marriage should happen between four or more people?
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Under the United States constitution yes. Personally not really.
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PicturePixie Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
See I say no all around. Marriage is a contract between two people.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
The law in the constitution protects it. It is irrelevant what you think of it. Unless you want to install an amendment. But if I were to do that. I would focus on something more important like war powers and political corruption. Christianity or any religion have no place in the United States government.
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PicturePixie Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
I disagree. I'm sorry. Dollar bill says "In God we trust" and we our selves say "One nation, under God" and "God bless America"
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
Oh wow. Really. You know that in "In God we Trust" was not the motto until 1956? And "One Nation, Under God" was not added to the pledge of allegiance until 1954? Actually it was the 5th revision of the pledge and the original pledge was done in 1892. So no we're not a Christian nation. The only reason we put those was to be the opposite of the Soviet Union during the Cold war because they were an Atheist state. And "God bless America" was not uttered until after 9/11. This whole Christian nation is a lie.
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PicturePixie Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Believe whatever you like. I'll believe and stand for what I believe.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
So you want facts? Okay I have facts. Because basically what you believe is accepting is a bunch of lies that were created during the cold war. [link] [link] And even verify them if you want.
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iknowlots5 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
uh not all christians do believe this country is a christian nation
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Good.
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iknowlots5 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
indeed arent u catholic though?
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
No. My father was. I'm a Deist.
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iknowlots5 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
ah ok
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PurplePhoneixStar Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well remember Prohobition, a lot of christians loved that and look what happened there.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Exactly. Though to be fair the Progressives supported it too. Actually everyone supported it. But the good news is that it was repealed and it sent a precedent. Unfortunately we don't follow it.
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Psycho333 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Exactly... that's why "Social conservitives" piss meoff
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Yeah social conservatism by legislation is unconstitutional. If you don't want to do those things then fine. But don't make the government to force us to live like you do. And they know it's unconstitutional because they've tried to make amendments on gay marriage, drugs, interracial marriage, making Christianity the state belief, Flag Desecration, Abortion, and School Prayer.
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Psycho333 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
It is the responsibility of every citizen to make sure the social conservitive agenda NEVER happens... (the whole "Eather live like a perfect christian or get punished" thing is bullshit)
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Exactly. But that goes with any religious belief like Atheism. No belief is innocent of crimes.
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Psycho333 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
But Atheism isnt a religion... (It's as much of a religion as bald is a hair color or not collecting stamps is a hobby)
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
But people still believe there isn't a God. So it goes in the line of beliefs. No State belief is good. State Atheism has failed as well. Examples are Soviet Union and Communist Albania in which they killed priests and the religious.
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Psycho333 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
but at thesame time how many wars have been faught for differing "gods" vs how many have been faught for differing scientific theories?

Here's an excersize also...

Define Faith:

Now Define Schitzophrenia:
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
I'm not saying what the religious states were doing was cool. I'm just saying that the government has no right to force a belief to it's citizens. The people should choose what they believe. Not the government.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Also, if the US truly was a Christian nation, we'd all be sinners 'cause we'd all believe that one idiot who keeps predicting "the end of the world". It's been a long time since I was in catechism (I'm Catholic, by the way), but if I remember correctly, the bible says that only God knows when the world will end. If that one old man is trying to predict the end, would that not mean he's trying to be God, which is also a sin? And the ones who believe him, would that not make them sinners for worshipping another "God"?

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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Oh shit. I'm suppose to be dead today.
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papuruikazuchi Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Uh
I will just say a few little things

Things like marriages would be left up to the states to decide on (which, obviously, they are) and some constitutions (like Texas for example) simply define marriage as between a man and a woman. While it may have been written by religious people, it would be considered unconstitutional in the state of Texas to have a gay marriage... though one big issue with that would be the fact someone who is married in a state that allows such things could come into Texas... and then what? Would the marriage not count or...? That's the dilemma there.

Drugs... well, it's pretty widespread that someone on drugs is more likely to do something criminal than someone not on drugs, so I can see why things such as crack and heroin are illegal. Unless this is some weed-related baw, then just say weed. Because like. Would you want your dentist on meth? You see their teeth?

Separation of church and state, however... most of our government seems to overlook that, both on the federal and state levels...
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Actually all drugs should be legal for many reasons. Obviously since the government took our right to choose but also this. Kids. The problem with drugs today is that we don't have control of it. Alcohol and Tobacco are more dangerous than cocaine and weed but what's the difference? The difference is that it's a lot harder to get those things because we set rules for them. You can't buy those without an ID. A drug dealer can sell these things with the idea of. "Well if I'm caught I'm going to jail anyway, so I might as well make money off this kid." And I believe you know celebrities can get these drugs but they don't get punished for it. That's hypocrisy. Also I'm talking about government. An employer has the right to not hire a person who constantly uses drugs. But what Texas did with their constitution was unconstitutional since their only basis is religion.
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papuruikazuchi Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
Actually, the Texas Constitution is pretty specific in all things because Texans are asses lolo. Thing is, I imagine that they thought if someone didn't specify exactly what marriage was, someone would try to marry multiple partners, animals, objects, so on. ....or perhaps religion, yes. But I also know of various people who find gay marriage immoral not for religious reasons, but it's just different from what they're used to... they've always been taught man+woman=marriage. It may be some long-lost religious reason from parents or grandparents, but to them it is not a religious thing, they don't think of it as such. If that were the case, would it be constitutional then? Not all people who don't like gay marriage don't like it for religious reasons, you know.

I'd rather have the government give a no-tolerance policy to these people, maybe harsher sentences so dealers never get out again, than chance ever coming across someone high on heroin or anything like that. Honestly, I feel that if the little shits are stupid enough to get into that crap, it's thinning out the gene pool. My mom practically beat that "no drugs" stuff into me as a child, as did the schools, it's not like I was completely stupid about things.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
It would be unconstitutional because it is stomping on people's freedoms. But the governemnt shouldn't be arresting people for taking drugs. Places where they legalize drugs have reduced the usage. Apart from that legalizing drugs would bring revenue in for the government and it would be good for the economy. Same thing with prostitution. Although I explained prostitution in a longer journal. Also yes I grew up in a religious home and was taught this anti-drug bullshit from my parents, church, and school. Even though I believe that drugs should be legalized. Doesn't mean I would do them. The most I've done is Marijuana. And also we should focus more on treating these drug addicts instead of sending them to prison.
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papuruikazuchi Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
The freedom of marriage isn't covered by the Constitution of the United States of America, it would fall under the category of the tenth amendment, which lets the states do what they want with that. And one by one, the states are giving that freedom.
"Places where they legalize drugs have reduced the usage." Really? Where? Not being smartass, just wondering here.
I do agree with the taxing, which is why I do support letting weed be legal. It doesn't really do much more than beer would, and it'd be a hell of a tax. Prostitution I'm not even gonna argue about lul.
And if you know what the effects of various drugs are and aren't completely "hurr let's fight the system" douche as a child, you wouldn't get swiped up in that mess. And really, what's better for an addict than some good time away from what you're addicted to... perhaps in jail? I'm tired of these rehab resorts treating people like precious cargo because they fucked up and got into some serious crap.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
The Netherlands is a place for drugs. But jail hasn't worked because at the same time drugs would be made available. You can't stop drugs because they'll be made. Why do you think Meth and Crack exist. Anything can be made a drug. The government shouldn't arrest you for that. And they're not serious about drugs. Why won't we send to jail people who sell alcohol and tobacco since they both kill many people. Along with pharmaceutical drugs that have killed more people than Cocaine and Heroine combined. Apart from that if you want to see how prohibition has worked. Look back at the 18th amendment. But gay marriage is protected because like you mentioned a non religious being against it is one thing. But what legal basis do they have besides that it's icky? If both are consensual adults, then the constitution protects them because of the 1st amendment.
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papuruikazuchi Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2011
First amendment? Well, I don't really see marriage as religious, press, petitioning of government, or speech, so I'll guess peacefully assemble. And even then, isn't that mainly to do with like... meetings of some sort, kinda tying in with protest bit?
And really, Texas has an amendment in there somewhere that has to do with not being able to carry wire cutters on your person. If everyone in the house agrees to it, it can be an amendment.

Well, rape is always around and can't really be stopped, let's just make rape legal. Doesn't really sound like awesome logic to me.
Thing is, alcohol and tobacco don't make you see purple elephants, make you think you're about to fall off a cliff and that your friend is an alien so you must skin them alive to show everyone the alien's true form. Tobacco and beer are stupid and harmful, but it's mostly to yourself... though beer may have an exception... And while I honestly think tobacco can take a hike, imagine the tobacco industry just plummeting. From the very beginning, it was a pretty heavy influence on the economy. Booze can be just as much of one, if a bit less. Drugs aren't really that concrete and may take a hella long time to become one. And if they can just be made and distributed so easily now, what would stop them once it's legal? Why go to Marlboro for fifty bucks a carton when Billy on the corner has it for fifteen? And what's keeping Billy on the corner from still selling it to kids or slipping something else in there for you to get hooked on?
As for pharmacy drugs- that's both on the consumer and the pharmacist. If the pharmacist gives out the wrong dose, doesn't catch a doctor trying to prescribe a bad dose, or just doesn't pay attention to details, then it's the fact the doctor/pharmacist is a tard than anything. Or if you're stupid enough to abuse the drugs then that's on you.
Pharmaceutical drugs are meant to help you in some way... tell me what meth is supposed to help beyond the craving?
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