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Free thought isn't bias by Supyloco Free thought isn't bias by Supyloco
It doesn't. The problem is that dogma isn't just about religion since it also applies to monarchies as well. Although Atheists can be very intelligent. It doesn't mean they are all free thinkers. It seems that many Atheists move with any theory of science. What does that mean? It means that if science doesn't know it. They think it doesn't exist. The problem is that in dogma you have to agree with it. Many Atheists believe the Big bang is fact even though the scientific community doesn't agree with it and aren't sure of it. But many Atheists think it's fact. Another problem with it is that Atheists think they shouldn't have the burden of proof but that's being ignorant. You also have to make an argument to why God doesn't exist. Or any Deity for that matter. Science isn't bias to any religious belief. It's just there and it says it like it is. 50 years ago we thought it was okay for a woman to smoke and drink while being pregnant. But as we studied science more we found out it was a bad idea. A century ago we didn't have the cure for Polio. But then we found it. But it's not just about Atheists. The problem also applies to the religious because they live in the most obvious dogma. I mean the Abrahamic faiths believe it's a sin to eat shrimp. So the point of this stamp is that you can't generalize a group of being stupid. It just depends on the individual and how he or she does things.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2014
I'm a norm-break because the way around seems to think is forced on them, like they don't have their own thoughts... all dem sheeple...
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DragonflyLite Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Being a free thinker means coming to your own conclusions about things, not doing what is considered 'different' or 'special.'
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Neoninja2 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014
So does that mean you can be religious and be a free thinker?
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DragonflyLite Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Exactly, if you come to your own conclusion to be religious instead of buying into what other people say.
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Neoninja2 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
Heh, and here I've been lead to believe that those to were mutually exclusive.
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BloodRedFullMoon Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
While it's certainly true that there are atheists who are uneducated and believe in science as some sort of holy grail (which is sad, the least thing you can do as an atheist is read up on basic scientific principles, that way they'd understand that nothing is absolutely certain in science and most things are even much less so), I have to disagree on the burden of proof part.

I certainly agree that one should be able to make an argument for why it is highly unlikely that any god exists, but the burden of proof is not equal on both sides of this argument. Most of it lies with the theist, because the theist is the one making the claim. The atheist isn't technically making a contrary claim, the atheist merely rejects the truth of the theist's claim. That's not a claim in and of itself, and while one should certainly be able to say why one rejects it (that's just common courtesy, after all), the burden of proof still lies with the one making the claim - the theist.
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vezonfan2 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2013
While I am an Atheist, I agree that everyone can be a dick. I also believe that any dogma preferred by government is bad. As such, I do not support Marxist-Leninism or State Atheism. I am a secularist however so I want no religion in government. Ergo: I don't think that New Atheists want State Atheism but, are Secularists.
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Oiyaki Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
but do not get me wrong, I agree with you, very.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Thank you.
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Oiyaki Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
um, Atheism is not an assertion, (at least how i see it) it's nothing more than the absences of belief in
gods/ a god.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Right.
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This isn't really a problem of atheists but rather a common problem of all people understanding the process of science.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2012
That is correct.
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
sorry *misunderstanding*
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012
What? No you were right with your analyses
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No I meant to say that it isn't just atheists misunderstanding science as an absolute but that is a common misunderstanding about science in general.

I'd also add that most atheists don't think that something doesn't exists if science hasn't discovered or studied it yet but rather it is currently unknown.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2012
You are correct. You are actually the person who said the subject the best.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
The Big Bang theory was created by a Catholic priest, who was also a scientist.

Your stamp is a perfect representation of the 'logic' (or LOLgic)squad on DA, one of the biggest packs of closed minds this site is unfortunate enough to be subjected to.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011
Look The big bang is being studied more and more. My point is that we're still learning.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
My point is that the atheists who believe in the Big Bang, owe that belief to a Catholic Priest. And Yes, we are still learning, that is the point of everything I have written concerning climate change *g*
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011
Oh okay. Mind you I'm no Atheist.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I knew that *g* I noticed the groups you belong to.
Several of the people I watch and / or talk to on DA are atheists, and decent people. That's where your stamp got my attention- there's quite a few on DA who need a good mental ass-kicking, for thinking they are somehow superior.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011
I'm not part of DAtheists.
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Kajm Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I did sort of wonder about that, but no worries.
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DragonFang01 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm sorry, but I feel as though I must point out your flaws in your thinking.

"It doesn't. The problem is that dogma isn't just about religion since it also applies to monarchies as well."

Really varies on what you think as 'free thought'. As atheists, we choose to take it as a way to form multiple opinions that nobody should really bear any tabuu upon (example: prostitution, views on laws, choice of attire or diction, ect). However, Christians are more on the 'tabuu everything that I don't think is "good" just cause' kinda thought process. I mean, when is the last time you ever met a Christian who's perfectly fine with prostitution, abortion and people leaving it for other beliefs?

"Although Atheists can be very intelligent. It doesn't mean they are all free thinkers. It seems that many Atheists move with any theory of science. What does that mean? It means that if science doesn't know it. They think it doesn't exist."

Err....??? What? Nobody really knows how the world or the universe really began, but that doesn't mean we don't believe the world never had a dawn of beginning or that the universe doesn't exist. We know there are flaws in science and we willingly accept that. However, it is nowhere near throwing away thousands of years of research and discovery and just saying it was all a bunch of nothing for something created by even more primitive and ignorant humans.

"The problem is that in dogma you have to agree with it. Many Atheists believe the Big bang is fact even though the scientific community doesn't agree with it and aren't sure of it. But many Atheists think it's fact."

It's just a current state theory, like the theory of the time of language, cow pox being the cure for variola major, or the world being flat. Some might be flawed, but until tested, it shall remain no more than an idea. This is something atheists will admit willingly (in their own words of course. Everyone speaks differently) to this.

"Another problem with it is that Atheists think they shouldn't have the burden of proof but that's being ignorant. You also have to make an argument to why God doesn't exist. Or any Deity for that matter. Science isn't bias to any religious belief. It's just there and it says it like it is. 50 years ago we thought it was okay for a woman to smoke and drink while being pregnant. But as we studied science more we found out it was a bad idea. A century ago we didn't have the cure for Polio. But then we found it."

This is rather irrelevant. You're comparing religion to the scientific method. People found issues that they disliked (such as birth defects caused by the woman smoking and/or drinking) they knew they could do something about it. They studied and observed the behaviors and managed to discover cures and causes for such illnesses. Religion actually slowed down the progression drastically because people back then were mostly so obsessed with religion that they would rather pray them well rather than send them to a hospital where they could get treatment. It is still a living issue, and thrives solely on religious obsessed ignoramuses who deny how mentally damaged one may very easily become when bound to such insane ideals. I doubt you knew that, and even if you did, I doubt you'd understand anyway. Finally, science is a bias to disprove religion, because religion is merely an outdated opinion, and that is what science is around to correct.

"But it's not just about Atheists. The problem also applies to the religious because they live in the most obvious dogma. I mean the Abrahamic faiths believe it's a sin to eat shrimp. So the point of this stamp is that you can't generalize a group of being stupid. It just depends on the individual and how he or she does things."

Name one atheist that truly believes religion makes you stupid. You can't without seriously implying that you don't understand. Religion is an opinion, just like the flying spaghetti monster, and therefore cannot really be counted much for some things. However, religion does seriously impact your trait of rationality (not IQ, there is a difference) and that is why atheists dislike religious people so much. Religion is not something we are born with (ironically a religious person discovered this roughly 200 years ago) and therefore religion is no more than an opinion. Opinion forms our views or reality. If it's unrealistic and dimentive, you're going to have a easily manipulated child, because they'll do anything in the name of religion. This is why atheists are mostly consisted of once religious people. They realized this by either a great pain, no feeling, or reaserch. We do not find you 'stupid' persay, just seriously irrational to the physical reality of things around you.

Finally, the stamp is something I can and can't agree with. It really varries on what you think of as a free thinker and what you think is not.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
What makes you think I'm a Christian? What makes you think I'm religious. If anything I have great disdain for religion. The problem with both groups is that both have shown to be arrogant pricks who think they know better than the other and believe me I've known a lot of people who think religion make you stupid. But in a way yeah it makes you stupid.
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DragonFang01 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess if you're going to say irrationality is a form of stupidity, then okay, I agree with you. Also, I didn't say you persay were Christian. Comments online are viewed by the world, so I know a religious person will inevitably read it. I apologize if I was not being descriptive enough to differ and explain my meanings and that is what brought you to the conclusion. I do agree with you that there are arrogant pricks on all sides, but that is merely because of our personal nature in a meaningless attempt to be 'all powerful' to the rest as fast as possible. Also, I've noticed that for atheists, ignorant, stupid and irrational all seem to fit the description on religious people. I find that a rather interesting diction. I'll try and be more precise on my descriptions in replying to a complicated topic like this from now on if that makes you happy.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
Alright. My problem with Atheists would be transition from Atheism to New Atheism. Most of the time I see many Atheists suggesting Atheism as a state belief when in reality it wouldn't be any better than a state religion. If you want universal Atheism because it will bring peace and society would look better. What would you do to a person with a differing belief? Would you prosecute him? Would you kill him? It makes no sense and that's why I'm an advocate for public Secularism. Society as a whole should be secular because everybody has different beliefs and thoughts.
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DragonFang01 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I know how you feel, and that's why it seems kinda warped for people to say atheism is a religion. Religion is known for its taboos and manslaughter. This is why I think world atheism ruling the governments is best because, well, we can actually accept how things are (such as religion, race, gender, genuine personality, ect). You point it out many times, and I agree with you on them. A lot of religious people use sheer blasphemy to debate in meaningless ways that would most likely end in violence if they had their way. Atheism is not like a dictatorship, but more like a free government. Without it, there is lawlessness and lack of progression. Also like a free government, it will not harshly dictate you based on your race, religion or relatives. Only people who'd take it to the extremes would ever do harm using it, but the rest of us use it to be a better and more fair person.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
You're confusing Atheism with Secularism. Since Atheists states have also been known for violence like USSR and communist Albania. It was no better than a state religion. Did you even understand what I said?
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DragonFang01 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, I think so :p But what I'm saying is that if it isn't abused, people live just fine. Isn't in those places it's taken way to seriously, and it therefore abused? An understanding personnel can make fair and just decisions, while an abused personnel just works for gain and pain. Religion run states work solemnly to rule with a stupid fist (pun intended), because in places where an outdated opinion cannot be challenged, is a place where stupidity thrives greatest. Virtually all atheists I've ever known know this to be true and that's why we all can accept people, regardless of their opinions. I'm not speaking out of an 'rule with an iron fist' kinda government, but one that is not infatuated or affiliated with the idea or ideals of singular rule of religion.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
That wouldn't be an Atheist state. State beliefs goals are to force people into it.
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Yuiru Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011
true true
eh, there are some errors and misconceptions in the description though...
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011
Yeah but I'm too lazy to change them.
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Yuiru Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
its cool, you just might get a lot of comments about that especially since this is in an atheist group
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
I didn't get why they would accept the damn stamp since it's basically anti-Elitist Atheism. Like most of the time they sound like arrogant pricks.
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Yuiru Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
oh I see you have some sort of opposition to them.
what makes them sound like arrogant pricks?
I've never seen the group admins act like that.

they probably accepted it because its not really something to be opposed to at all, it just says atheism =/= free-thought

the only thing thats got potential for agitating someone is the description.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
The fact that they act superior to others. Especially New Atheists. New Atheists are just as bigoted as religious fundamentalists. And the problem is many suggest state Atheism when that is as bad as a state religion.
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Yuiru Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
how do they act superior to others?

I just searched new atheism and I have to say I've never heard of a "new atheist" promoting anything called state atheism(a misnomer for anti-clericalism). I've only heard people support Secular state, but I see your point.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
They go further. They want Universal Atheism and the only way to achieve it is by force. And if that doesn't work then you either prosecute them or kill them. Which is not the solution. The fact is many Atheists act like arrogant pricks because they think they are more intelligent than others and don't seem to respects other's religious beliefs. And outright make fun of them and be total douche bags to those who don't believe in what they believe. Both Atheists and Religious people do this and it disgusts me. But they don't see it because they have their heads up their asses to notice.
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AzizrianDaoXrak Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I would just like to point out that atheism is not a religion or a belief system. It is a commonly-accepted term to describe those who do not subscribe to a belief in deities of any sort, but it is not about belief.

And it is MUCH easier to logically derive the lack of any deity's existence, much less specifically the Christian God's existence, than to logically prove the existence of a divine entity. Occam's Razor is typically cited as a classic scientist's/atheist's argument.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011
Yeah but do you even get what this is about?
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AzizrianDaoXrak Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I was attempting to specifically address the points your made in your artist's comments about where the burden of proof lies. And though someone else commented on this: the Big Bang is generally accepted in the scientific community. They are searching for the "God Particle." The Big Bang is not considered myth, but fact.

But yes, I see that it's not just addressing atheists.
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Adrassil Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Everyone is stupid in one way or another whether they're an Atheist or Theist. While I believe Science is far more useful and real than religion (it is, I think, the search for truth rather than the assumption of truth) My atheistic belief isn't just from Science it comes from my experiences as a human being Science is a human thing and all humans being flawed science is flawed to, as is the same with religion.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011
Science isn't an entity. It's just what we call our observation of nature.
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Adrassil Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
T_T I am well aware of that
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2011
Excellent
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Adrassil Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
I could also say so are god(s) :p but will refrain from trolling, I'm assuming you said that because I capitalized the "S's" of science? Which was done not on purpose at all.

and thank you for the condescension, always appreciated.
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