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Yeah so you'll get it if you've heard the original quote. It was, "Evolution, Fairy Tales for grownups." It was a book written by Ray Comfort. I found the quote interesting because it kind of ignores the fact that many adults believe in the story of Genesis as the origin of all life. But it sounds so mythical. But that's not my main problem with the story of Genesis. Because if you've read it, it has two versions in which the animals come first and then the second version has man coming first. I won't even get to the conversation that this story justifies Sexism. The point is that all the things on earth showing up magically with talking animals and bitchy godfather who grants wishes is ridiculous. It's not to say that there isn't a god, but it's just that the story itself is not real and science and archaeology has debunked this story as a myth. The bible says that all life began in Iraq when the origin of man was in the East African Rift. But other creation myths are also beyond ridiculous. My point is that we can't accept to believe in something without questioning it. I mean we were taught this as kids, but that's kids stuff and we need to grow up.
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
Adults? not even sure they are. They may have an old body, they are still little children in their heads. American creationists and evangelists and conservatives lack general culture and education.
a 15 years old Western European is more mature, has more knowledge, is better educated, has more culture than a 40 years old American from south USA or the Bible Belt, and more political knowledge than these half-fascists from the republican party. Well, we're not so far from that kind of situation anyway. Creationists = scums of the occidental world, little babies who make of USA the most retard, backward and primitive country of Occident, with evangelists, mormons, and people such as Palin, Rick Perry, Santorum, Herman Cain, Tea Party and all their followers.
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Mollykittykat Featured By Owner May 15, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
haha... OUCH! kind of a broad brush you're painting things with, don't you think?
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NurIzin Featured By Owner May 16, 2012
I admit that to put all Republicans and Mormons in the same bag is somehow exagerated and simplist, but it's just to provocate in a way, even if actually, because of them people in some parts of Europe, say "Americans are crazy anyway" when they talk about USA, and they don't use crazy in a positive meaning here.
However, I do not change my mind about Evangelists, creationists and Palin, Perry, Santorum, Bachman, Herman Cain and all their insane supporters. Because they do are mad : want to mix up religion, state and politic (so, a theocracy, like Franco in Spain, or Iran and Saudi Arabia), want to reduce the rights of women, are totally reactionnary and undemocratic, or they want to send USA back to European Middle-Age, or send back the world to the dystopian 19th century. In western democracies such fanatics nearly don't exist, and their ideology is mocked and seen as totally ill/insane/sick, there are conservatives, but not as extreme. Your extreme-right wing members of republican party give a really bad image of USA in the democratic world.
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Mollykittykat Featured By Owner May 16, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
hmm... alright then... :l
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
Yeah they're a cancer that needs to be cut.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012
It's so true. :nod:
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
What I find most interesting is the hypocrisy. At least don't say it like that if you're going to speak badly about evolution
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Ray Comfort has the intellect of a wet sponge, and about as much understanding of science. I wouldn't expect much more- and he does a great job of making his position look completely ridiculous.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
These people are either stupid or evil. With this guy it's tough to tell. Most of the time they expect their readers to be stupid and want them to stay that way.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Stupidiy and or ignorant is usually the root of the rejection of science, usually in relation to religion.

I'd like to quote Richard Dawkins on Ray Comfort:
"If evolution is refuted, it will be refuted by new scientific data. It will not be refuted by an idiot."
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Yeah I was thinking about that a bit. Evolution would ceased to be used until we find something that makes more sense scientifically. But here's the thing. In the beginning, there wasn't this animosity between religion and evolution since a lot of them accepted Evolution. It wasn't until later that the Religious Right have demonized it.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
When it first came out, religion made a fuss- but then it conformed, and mainstream religion still does. It's the wack jobs and the conservatives who are responsible for the problems of today.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
And it just annoys me how politicized it got. I mean this wouldn't be so bad if they didn't involve politics.
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh Ray Comfort, he successfully trolled me once.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012
Seriously?
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't know I was reading the edited Origin of Species and didn't know who he was. I as I was reading it I was gradually becoming more confused.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012
Yeah I heard about those edits.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't think that the theory of evolution completely debunks creationism. I think it debunks literal creationism, but I think if you don't take the story of creation so literal that it can be explained by science. That is just my thoughts on it though. You don't have to believe me, but I just get tired of this back and forth when there is a grey area to the subject. I fall in that grey area.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012
Creationism as an ism refers to the belief that the earth is 6-10 000 years old, IE incompatible with science. There is old earth creationism, which is less crazy (but still crazy)...
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Tis just your belief. You can have yours and I can have mine.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012
It's not really "belief" if it's backed up by fact, but oh well. I was just making a point on definition.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It is backed up by scientific theories that change all the time. Theories are backed up by many facts, but cannot be proven at the moment to actually be an absolute. So yes it can be just as much as a belief as much as something not supported by any evidence can given the definition/s of belief. Just making a point.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012
Firstly, nothing can be proven absolutely.

Secondly, science updates itself all the time. If it didn't, we wouldn't move foreward. That doesn't hurt its credibility, it strengthens it- anybody with a basic understanding of science would know.

Thirdly, fact is not belief. Belief is faith, and it is called faith because it's not knowledge. Believing a scientific theory is true because of the overwhelming scientific evidence, it's not belief. It's conforming to reality.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I just don't accept is as an absolute fact, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it is true because I believe science conforms with God in the basics at least. The bible itself in some parts is somewhat questionable.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2012
As I said: nothing is absolute, and no scientist worth his salt will claim that.

Now, science and evolution are not irreconcilable with religion at all. I don't think they really are, but mainstream religious leaders from the pope to the archbishop of canterbury think it is. Why? Because they respect scientific advancement.

And yes, the bible is very questionable.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
Well the stamp talks about a literal creationism. Specifically the on in the bible. But I wasn't talking about evolution but much more about the findings of fossils that we've seen. Like we discovered humans are originally from Africa and not from Iraq like the bible says.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I never have seen a place in the bible where it says we are from Iraq. Could you please enlighten me there?
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
Defintely. It says in Genesis 2:10-14

"10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin[d] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates."

The location would be modern day Iraq.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know. Maybe they could have started there. You have to remember that Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden. Although here is where it gets tricky. When they were kicked out of the garden Cain killed his brother, and were afraid of the others out there. Who were the other people? So many Adam and eve weren't the first humans. :/ Confusing right?
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
Yeah I thought that was confusing too. It never explained if they had more kids before Cain's exile or after. It never tells us where his wife came from or if they were related. It just left a lot more questions than answers.
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XxchantellexX Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that is because not all the scrolls are there. I mean the bible was cherry picked from scrolls. The bible doesn't tell us if God told the people making the bible into a book to pick certain scrolls or not. :/
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012
I don't think Adam and Eve were real. Unless they look very very different. Because a species can't keep itself alive with a gene sample of two people. They would have to look much more different than us. So Evolution would have to take place.
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